..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
hehi was at a function this evening and was chatting to the assistant of the ceo of the biggest charity for child safety in the uk.
i spoke about safeguarding and the huge investigation currently going on.
the gentleman is a member of some heavy weight committees on child safety.
Have you spoken to the ceo yet?
Here are a couple of links you could share.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/in-england-more-accusations-that-jehovahs-witnesses-hid-sex-abuse/
hehi was at a function this evening and was chatting to the assistant of the ceo of the biggest charity for child safety in the uk.
i spoke about safeguarding and the huge investigation currently going on.
the gentleman is a member of some heavy weight committees on child safety.
I am not sure that Cedars would be the best person to refer this gentleman to..
I would quite strongly recommend asking him to contact either Barbara Anderson or Paul Grundy (jwfacts).
Barbara really knows her stuff, and also Paul Grundy worked with the ARC regarding this issue.
Here are their contact details:
http://watchtowerdocuments.org/contact-barbara/
http://jwfacts.mobi/contact-me/
In the meantime, maybe you could send him this link? (Jehovah's witnesses ARC case, evidence and findings).
Please keep us updated, if you are able to.
i responded to someone on another thread, but would love to know this answer.. if a victim adult or child goes to elders and claims they were abused, don't they have to have clergy confidentiality?
so i was told that they encourage the victim to contact authorities , and they contact bethel, but arent there hands tied if the victim does not want to go to authorities?
an elder made the comment to me once.
UK:
Australia:
Vincent Toole, head of the church's Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, told the commission he would seek independent legal advice about the church's obligations to report child sex abuse to the authorities.
Justice McClellan asked Mr Toole if he understood there was a general obligation for every citizen to report crimes to the authorities.
"Coming to this commission has been a wake-up call for me, I can assure you," Mr Toole said.
Delaware:
www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-fight-law-requiring-child-sex-abuse-be-reported-to-police/
hi, only just joined.
going through a rough time at the moment and maybe this could help.
any body around 27 year old age.
Hello Ryan.
Unfortunately I can't really help you, except to point to these two links.
We started in 2006 as a group for xJWs in Kent, we then expanded into South East England, then the whole of England, and now we operate as a group for xJWs in the whole of Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) to meet and receive support and friendship.
Please keep in mind that this group is public to anyone who joins and as we know, the Jehovah's Witnesses operate a shunning policy on anyone who disobeys the Watchtower organisation. So if you are a fader or a doubter and fear that there may be repercussions of your joining such a group, please do not use your real name, your face photo or any other information that may incriminate you or cause you to be seen as an apostate.
People have suffered a lot because of the shunning of family members, the mishandling of child abuse cases, the mishandling of domestic abuse cases, the ban on certain medical treatments involving blood and the stigmatising of higher education as the pursuit of materialism and a waste of time. We are here to offer a listening ear and to reignite your social life and meet new people who understand you.
Also, you may want to post the info in your opening post again, on this thread:
www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/197364/ex-jw-uk?page=37
Take care. :)
hi friends,.
can someone please help explain to me the overlapping generations teaching?
i have not been able to grasp this one or what it even applies to?
I wrote this as a step by step guide for Jehovah's Witnesses, to help show clearly that Jesus was talking about the generation of his day.
Just by using the bible and a few quotes from non-watchtower commentaries.
..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
animals inherited death through Adam
www.bbc.co.uk/earth/story/20141202-what-was-earths-first-predator
a couple of things first: .
-nothing would bring me more pleasure than seeing wt getting stung in a costly law suite.. - please forgive me but i have only briefly read the court documents.
so this brings me to my question.
Just to add, by the phrase "been destroyed", I was under the impression you meant that the fraud accusation was proven unfounded, not that the actual letter of accusation had been destroyed.
I said in my post:
The only piece of evidence that there was ever so much as an accusation of fraud by another party, has been allegedly 'destroyed'
Seems clear to me, but then I have a do have a strange way of thinking. ;)
I have said all I can. The links and details are there to see, on this thread and the other.
Sorry if I have caused offense or anything.
www.the-newshub.com/general/are-jehovahs-witness-a-religious-ponzi-scheme
This is part 2 in a 3-part series about the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses and their fraudulent practices and teachings that essentially amounts to a religious Ponzi scheme. This scheme is more about power than money.
In part 3, I would like to feature personal experiences. If you are a Witness, an ex-Witness, were raised by Witness parents, or studied with Witnesses, and would like to share your story, see the end of this article for details.
www.the-newshub.com/general/jehovahs-witnesses-ponzi-scheme-part-2
a couple of things first: .
-nothing would bring me more pleasure than seeing wt getting stung in a costly law suite.. - please forgive me but i have only briefly read the court documents.
so this brings me to my question.
I am not calling Mr. Otuo a liar however why would you expect me to support a guy and even spend time to attend court when the circumstances are not clear.
To hear what they have to say?
To follow the case, rather than rely on others?
Good reasons to attend, if you want to.
I don't expect you to support him. I hope someone will, he lost his family and friends. Maybe I should have left that wording out. Whether Otuo is guilty of fraud or not, and I think he is not, he is still a victim of the Disfellowshipping policy.
Help me out here and post something that succinctly refreshes the story and presents the facts.
www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5710398485430272/particulars-claim-otuo-v-morley-watch-tower
You now have the same info that I do, except for the other people who know otuo and the elder, who I shall not be naming.
How has the allegation of fraud "been destroyed"?
If you have the evidence that that is the case then lets see it please. Otherwise you are asking for leaps of faith.
Hi Witnessmyfury:)
I understand your concerns.
This is my last post on the subject, the rest is just speculation.
It was Joe's thread title that wound me up. Especially seeing as it is an ongoing court case.
I am sorry I bothered to post any of this now. I'm done after this.
It emerged at the resumed hearing before me on 18 June that the third party's letter has been destroyed, according to Mr Daniel on instructions, on data protection grounds and that, accordingly, the Claimant will never now be able to make an assessment of it or rely upon it in formulating his particulars of malice. It is fair to say, however, that this latest piece of news has done nothing to allay his suspicions as to their good faith.
